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's happened over the last couple of weeks. going over the fiscal cliff is serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> the white house says they are willing to do tough things to compromise, so now it's time for republicans in washington to ask the wealthiest americans to pay higher tax rates. >> asking for a political price be paid in order for congress to do its job to insure that the united states of america pays its bills and does not default for the first time in its history is deeply irresponsible. it was deeply irresponsible in the summer of 2011 and it would be deeply irresponsible if we were to see that kind of approach taken again. >> today the president is going to take his case to the people of pennsylvania during a visit to hatfield and a road on group. it's the sole manufacturer of knex, which makes angry birds building sets. back to you. >> steve: all right. thank you very much. >> brian: it's unbelievable. the "washington post" says th
business voice in the conversation over the fiscal cliff? >> well, i mean, you know, actually, the president said that, and it's a known fact, that small business actually drives this country. i mean, we're the biggest employers. it's very, very important. it was pertinent to have us there, hear our concerns, and, you know, let us voice the opinions, and even more so for us to be there to give us that comfort level so i can come back, do the interview, and go into my own community, to my business, and look forward to expanding, and growing more jobs and continuing to push america. gerri: happy to see small business expand here because you guys are the major employers across the country, and, yet, 55% of small business owners say they would not start a business in this economic climate beuse they think it's just too uncertain, and they think things would be simply too dicey. julia, if you started over again right now, would you be concerned? >> absolutely. i would be concerned, but i also think hat as a start-up, there are many more things that i find in this period of time to
the looming fiscal cliff. talked about business concerns as you head into the end of the year and even what to expect in 2014. bank of america has 55 million customers here in america. they represent one out of every two households. so moynihan has a very good idea about what consumers are doing and if they spending less because of the fiscal cliff. here's what he had to say. >> i'm more about business behavior than consumer behavior. people continue to spend, housing is a little better. all the things that affect stock market are in decent shape. the question was will everything going on cause them on slow down again. >> what are you you see rg businesses right now? >> almost a year and a halving a go, businesses getting concerned about the nature of the dialogue about the fiscal situation? washington and in europe and the issues that had to be dealt with long term and how it affects near term business in terms of what would be accelerated appreciation for investment in business. what will be the final demand. so the uncertainty factor started weighing in and caused everybody to be much mo
over the last couple of weeks. but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> and the speaker tweeted, "how serious is the white house about avoiding the fiscal cliff?" reports suggest, in some cases, not so serious. and also, joanne, what is the strategy here, and is there a risk like looking like you're not really negotiating? >> well, you know, i think what's interesting is that there's the posture that everyone is taking in public, but then what you're hearing behind the scenes is that everyone's sort of understands what the contours of the deal are going to look like. and what i see is john boehner trying to sort of protect his caucus at this point because he probably understands that at the end of the day, that top rate is going to go up. and republicans are in a really awkward position because right now essentially they're just defending the tax cut for the top 2%. at the same time, the white house's public posture is to say well, no, we don't want to go over t
automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> the president had a busy fiscal cliff day, also met privately with the ceo ofs of home depot, coca-cola and yahoo!. not to be out done on this pr front, house republicans made it public, hosting a group of nervous business leaders. they've signed on to a campaign called fix the debt. they want big spending cuts to supplement the coming tax hikes. >> i'm hopeful but i wouldn't put me anywhere near the optimistic category. we have a long way to go and a few days to get it done. >> don't forget that's erskine bowels. republicans are trying to put pressure on democrats even as democrats enjoy the moment on taxes. here is where republicans are on entitlements. >> there's been no serious discussion by the white house on entitlements, on medicare and medicaid. this has to be a part of this agreement or else we just continue to dig the hole deep i. >> republicans are very frustrated that what's taking up oxygen right now is the issue of taxes. in fact, yesterday that's what happened. the first major public break inside the republican controlle
with erskine bowles and business leaders about averting the fiscal cliff and achieving an approach the white house says it wants. i made clear that we put real concessions on the line by putting revenues on the table right upfront. unfortunately, many democrats continue to rule out spending cuts that must be part of any significant agreement will reduce our deficit. mr. bowles himself said yesterday there has been no serious discussion so far. there is a real danger of going off the fiscal cliff. going off the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy. it will cost american jobs. republicans have taken action to avert the fiscal cliff by passing legislation to stop all the tax hikes, to replace the sequester, and pave the way for tax reform and entitlement reform. we are the only ones with a balanced plan to protect the economy, protect american jobs, and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. without spending cuts and entitlement reform, it will be impossible to address our country's debt crisis and get our economy going again and to create jobs. right now all eyes are on the white house.
of weeks. but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business, and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> is this based on your meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night. could you tell us something about that phone call? >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much would you be open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as part of a down payment to get to a longer range solution on entitlements and tax reforms? >> there are a lot of options on the table including that one. >> before the election you were asked whether if obama won taxes would have to go up. i are acknowledging that they will. >> the day after the election i came here and made it clear that the republicans would put revenue on the table as a way to begin to move the process to get this resolved. >> my question is, what message do you have for people who look at the negot
] >> house speaker john boehner held his own meeting on the fiscal cliff negotiations. this is close to 10 minutes. >> good afternoon, everyone. the president traveled to pennsylvania to visit a small business today to talk about the fiscal cliff. unfortunately, it's the president and members of his own party who were proposing that we let many small businesses, as in hundreds of thousands of them, go over the fiscal cliff. simply put, that's why we don't have an agreement as yet. they said yesterday this is not a game. i used to be a small business owner. small business owners are regular men and women from all backgrounds who, in today's economy, are facing challenges on a daily basis. and the president's tax increase would be another crippling blow for them while doing little to nothing to solve the bigger problem here, which is our national deficit and our national this debt doesn't exist because we don't tax small businesses enough. it exists because washington continues to spend too much. raising taxes on small businesses instead of taking a balanced approach that also cuts spending
of weeks. the going over the fiscal cliff is serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. paul? >> [inaudible]. >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much are you open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as part of a down payment to get to a longer range solution on entitlements? >> there are a lot of options on the table including that one. andrew. >> [inaudible]. >> the day after the election i came here and made it clear that republicans would put revenue on the table as a way to begin to move the process to get this resolved. >> [inaudible]. >> revenue is on the table but revenue was only on the table if there were serious spending cuts as part of this agreement. it has to be part of the agreement. we have a debt crisis! we're spending too much. while we're willing to put revenue on the table we have to recognize it's the spending that is out of control. >>
our particular business standpoint, we would love to see the fiscal cliff solved, we would love to see fundamentals come back to sense, but our business, the affordable care act, i don't see that as a big impact at all. >> simple, good clean story with good distribution, nice yield. scott peters, chairman and president of health care trust of america. they are not involved with the craziness of washington other than maybe they can profit from it. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like something... ♪ [ car alarm deactivates ] ♪ ...or you can get out there with your family and actually like something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. n you take a closer look... offering some of our best values of the year. ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more st
're not seeing much in the way of new business creation. in part because of worries about the fiscal cliff. have entrepreneurs sitting on the sidelines. who wants to start a business without knowing what the capital gains tax will be, tax code rate. plus the whole office supply industry has been shrinking for awhile, not just office max but office depot and staples as company shifted away from using lots of paper towards digital solutions like apple ipads. meanwhile there's not that much demand for the technological devices some of the companies sell which have become increasingly commoditysed. just witness hideous performance of best buy. despite all these big perceived big picture, office max has been rallying like crazy. stock has run up 122% for year. and it's fallen from 4.26 from the beginning of august to nearly $10. right now where the stock is less than a point off its 52-week high. what the heck, right? five months ago this stock had been left for dead. but now somehow office max has managed to find new life and become a monster good performer. just when you expect the company to be ta
attempts to link the fiscal cliff budget negotiations to future increases in the nation's debt ceiling. "the new york times" reported republicans might accept higher tax rates on wealthier americans to avoid triggering tax hikes for everyone. in return, they'd demand greater spending cuts next year before raising the federal borrowing limit. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game because we've got to... we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> reporter: the 2011 standoff between the president and republicans led the nation to the brink of national default. standard and poor's even lowered its rating on u.s. government bonds. now, the president has proposed he be given authority to raise the debt ceiling without congressional action. house republicans reject that idea. and they've called for raising revenue without rate hikes, plus major
at specific areas of the fiscal cliff talks. today we'll talk about tax incentives for businesses and individuals and we will look at tax issues and you can: about tax issues and the so-called fiscal cliff. >> a senior official says secretary of state clinton and others are in dublin having a surprise meeting and they are speculating that fresh hopes of a breakthrough may happen and suggesting a possible compromise is in the offing to end the civil war. a senior official says the head of the intelligence service has been wounded in an assassination attempt. there was a bomb that exploded in kabul as he was receiving a visitor. an update on the negotiations on the pending tax changes. alan simpson in remarks earlier criticized the politics of the talks surrounding the so-called fiscal cliff saying congress put the chain on their own ankle and it is difficult to speculate which party would suffer more if no compromise was reached. he went on to say that if you gave 90% of them a profit loss statement and balance sheet, they would know how to read it. those are some of the latest hea
of projects on hold, though, fiscal cliff. yep, the obstacle is washington all because of the need to sock it to the 2% not the 1.5% and the over 400,000 crowd, the 1%, or the need to fulfill the anti-tax pledge of allegiance many of our congressmen made to grover norquist. he makes the other guys look like crash dummies. we're on the cusp of an economic boom in this country. but we have politicians that would rather create a recession, a mandated economic collapse, let's create a bear market versus rising above. and guess what? these enemies of wealth and job creation may get their way and win. yes, to borrow a phrase from my own rant last time we were on the brink of a washington-inspired financial disaster, they know nothing. shawn in illinois. shawn? >> caller: hello, jim. >> what's up, chief? >> caller: from chicago land. >> done. speak to me. >> caller: -- for some time now, and i just heard a report that their sales revenue from call of duty black ops 2 has topped $1 billion in 15 days. and for the entire "call of duty" franchise has surpassed even "star wars." that's huge, and my q
proposing that we let many small businesses, as in hundreds of thousands of them, go over the fiscal cliff. simply put, that's why we don't have an agreement as yet. they said yesterday this is not a game. i used to be a small business owner. small business owners are regular men and women from all backgrounds who, in today's economy, are facing challenges on a daily basis. and the president's tax increase would be another crippling blow for them while doing little to nothing to solve the bigger problem here, which is our national deficit and our national debt. this debt doesn't exist because we don't tax small businesses enough. it exists because washington continues to spend too much. raising taxes on small businesses instead of taking a balanced approach that also cuts spending is wrong. it's only going to make it harder for our economy to grow. and if our economy doesn't grow, americans don't get new jobs. and the debt problem that we have will continue to threaten our children's future. as i said the day after the election, republicans are not seeking to impose our will on the preside
politics over the fiscal cliff. we are near session lows right now. >> 11 points away from session lows. the dow is clinging onto that level right now. consumer discretionary is your best performing sector this month. it is lower today, as is technology. the s&p 500 trying to hang onto a monthly gain. not sure if we can do it. certainly higher for the week and nasdaq higher for the both of them. a two-day chart of yelled is really interesting. they expect fourth-quarter sales in china to decline. lots of analysts cutting this stuff today. melissa: lauren, thank you very much. lori: after laying out his opening bid to fisk the fiscal cliff, -- listen to a sampling of that. >> you will see your taxes go up on january 1. i am assuming that does not sound too good for you. that is sort of like the lump of coal you before christmas. that is a scrooge christmas. melissa: is the president right to put the blame on congress or are his demands unrealistic? joining us for the second today is juan williams. the president setting the republicans up to take the blame for all of this. >> well, you kn
of the business round table, amid a debate over the fiscal cliff. the group is urging congress to take immediate action to avoid those automatic tax increases and spending cuts come january. president obama is saying that with the way speaker boehner plan stands now, no deal. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal is out of balance. we will have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we are not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> that was an exclusive with bloomberg t.v. and the first televised interview since the president's re-election. as you heard, taxes are the big issue blocking this deal from taking place. president obama is calling for downhill the amount of tax revenue as speaker boehner over the next tens years, most from the nation's top earners. many. republicans say that's not the way to handle this. here is marco rubio. >> it wouldn'ting make a small bent in the debt but it would heard middle class businesses. >> the g.o.p. could be risking a civil war over this issue. it does not look like obama is ready to cave. if that forc
-called fiscal cliff. this is in fact the family and business tax cut certainty act of 2012. while i hope that the negotiations to avert the fiscal cliff are successful, in my view we should not wait for a grand bargain in order to finish work on this important tax extender legislation. tax extenders are different from the other fiscal cliff issues for three basic reasons, and let me describe those reasons. first tax extenders are much less contentious than the other end of year problems that we -- that need to be resolved. the tax extender bill on the senate calendar has strong bipartisan support. in august, the finance committee approved it by a large margin. we have support from six republicans, including the ranking member, senator hatch. all 13 democrats supported it. i believe that many more republicans will vote for this legislation if it's brought up for consideration here in the senate. the bill consists entirely of tax cuts. it should not be difficult to get senators to vote for tax cuts, right before christmas especially. most of these tax cuts have solid bipartisan support. ma
in the future -- your business is in transportation, too -- we are mired in conversations about the fiscal cliff. we are talking about long-term infrastructure, a long term energy plan. >> this is the perfect opportunity for the government to work together to achieve a common goal. there is plenty of times when our interest might not call last with the interest of either of the parties. this is the opportunity we have never had before. you could have consumer, business, and the government's all working together to take advantage of this huge resource. for us, it makes so much sense because it makes business sense. we get about $1.65 a quilt when natural gas. from the government point of view, everybody is talking about jobs and the fiscal cliff. everyone talks about taxes and what is going to happen with the fiscal cliff. there has been $1500 gone to increase oil prices. you can get them that tax cut today if you invested in our report. everybody talks about entitlements. high oil prices make the social security trust insolvent five years sooner than they would if he did not have high oil prices
obama is taking his fight over the fiscal cliff today heading to hatfield, pennsylvania. he is going to tour the rhodon group manufacturing facility. >> that's a place the white house says is one of the many businesses that depends upon middle class shoppers this holiday season. rhodon manufactures connect brand. that time group sells toys like angry birds building sets and tinker toys. at the end of the year, as i am sure you know by now the average middle class family is facing a 2,000 dollar tax hike. on monday of this week the white house released a report saying that could be americans spending $200,000,000,000 less in 2013. the president will continue to push his message but is it time to reach a deal over the fiscal cliff? but the g.o.p. is not so keen on a deal, at least the one the white house presented yesterday. the first offer from president obama and treasury secretary timothy geithner included a $1.6 trillion tax increase along with an extension of the payroll answer it cut and unemployment insurance and a request for $50,000,000,000 worth
being asked. we are willing to go over the fiscal cliff. why? to square the members to call their members of congress. if you talk to business people and people in the banking industry they are not concerned about the fiscal cliff and i am not sure why. maybe they feel it is going to get done. this is very, very interesting. >> steve: i think there are people who are optmistic that something can happen in the long run. >> brian: we get past this hurdle and we might get on a roll. >> steve: john boehner said the republicans point of view. we don't have to raise rates on the top people. we can tighten things up and close the loop holes and deduction. actually that the president of the united states's point of view back last year . now he said it is all about tax rates. this is the president in a flash back. >> what we said give us 1.2 trillion in additional revenues which could be accomplished without hiking tax rates, but could simply be questioned by eliminating loop holes and deductions and engaging in a tax reform process that could have lowered rates. >> steve: he was for
the cliff, we need long-term fiscal reduction so businesses can plan for the future. to get families and businesses certain we must agree the next few weeks on specific spending cuts and specific revenue increases that reduced the deficit to avoid the fiscal cliff. we should not put off hard decisions of gimmicks or with triggers. that's what got us here in the first place. it's time to bite the bullet and make the tough decisions and make them now. the first thing we should do is immediately and permanently extend a middle-class tax cut. this will provide needed certainty to america's families and businesses and markets. this decisive action will ensure that millions of american families don't see attacks like of more than $2000 starting next month. in year-end agreement must also have a long-term extension of the debt ceiling. america cannot afford another debilitating to school showdown. it has to be a package deal. then we need to enact a long-term and comprehensive deficit solution. most serious plans recommend about $4 trillion deficit reduction over 10 years to restore fiscal
how it's being proposed and more on the fiscal cliff, specifically atx pyring tax credits that will affect families and businesses. to get you set up for our next segment on the filibuster rule, these are proposals that will take place in the next congress. minority leader mitch mcconnell debated this. here's a bit of that debate. >> mr. president, we believe that there should be one aspect of the change that is that it should be a non-debatable motion of proceeding. simple as that. the american people -- only ones who disagree that think this senate is working well are the republican leader and those republicans in congress. >> to the republican lead center >> yes. i hope the majority leader will stay on the floor here. i gather the way he proposes to affect this rule change is to deal with the simple majority. you didn't address that issue. >> but of course. >> well, -- >> that statement is untrue, and i don't accept that. >> mr. president, i believe i have the floor. that's the point. what the majority leader is saying he will break the rules of the senate in order to c
and the business roundtable, a big business lobbying group. this morning fiscal cliff negotiations appear to be at a stand still. treasury secretary tim geithner says the president's offer is unwavering. we're going to let tax rates go up for top earners and republicans will have to work with that reality. >> there is no responsible way we can govern this country with those low rates in place for future generations. those rates are going to have to go up. >> house speaker john boehner appears to be struggling now that the president and democrats are negotiating for a position of power. talking points memo points out republicans are used to getting 70% to 75% of what they ask for in these types of negotiations but now speaker boehner is going on and on about how he's shocked and amazed at president's plan and is refusing to offer a counter plan on the republican side. you want to talk about this or anything else, join us online at current.com/stephaniemiller. we'll see you with more after the break. kind of guys who do like rev
in washington on the so-called fiscal cliff. president obama plans to enter questions from business members. the group has been urging action to prevent huge automatic tax increases in january. those are some of the latest headlines on c-span radio. [video clip] >> we have not coordinated care. all these services have so many cracks that the cracks are as harmful as the diseases that we're treating. you have to step back and ask, are we hurting people overall? what are we doing? now we have the report saying 30% of everything we do not be necessary in health care. 30% of medications we subscribe, the test and procedures we order. this is something for the first time been called out as a problem. >> this function in the health- care industry. what hospitals will not tell you. urday night at 10:00 p.m. on c-span2. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we have been focusing on different aspects of the fiscal cliff. we want to look at capital gains tax and the estate tax. what is the estate tax? guest: it goes back to history -- it was put in place to prevent the united states from developin
in april, 2011. the last minute on the fiscal cliff -- i do not think it is a good way to do business. it seems to be the way we are doing business in this town. host: if we were to go over, what happens? guest: probably, congress would be back in session quickly and we would do something but i am talking about right now, hopefully, and continue to negotiate. it is not to question of dollars and cents. some people have said we could let the rates go up and the republicans could take something down and they could call that a tax cut. people would lose faith in the institution and political leadership. trust is a funny commodity. you have it until you do not. you do not get it back if you lose the trust and then do the right thing the next day. we should convince the country, the markets and the world that america can make smart decisions and tough compromises. this would be a step in the right direction of showing we can work together, and we could put the people first. we have differences and we could fight without putting them in harm's way. host: roger altman writes in "the financia
christmas. >> america about to go cliff diving. >> it is not a question, it is strictly business. >>> there's a pro tip of, when one side is leaking the other side's proposals and negotiations, they are not going well, at all. and the fiscal cliff negotiations are not going well at all. on thursday republicans leaked the white house's opening bid and we have some exclusive tape of that. >> all right. somebody will have to play a little game. we'll play yours. so let's just say that you paid me because it is in your interest to pay me. but i want your answer and the money by noon tomorrow. >> senator, you can have my answer now, if you like. my offer is this -- nothing. >> okay. maybe that's not actually exclusive tape of the budget negotiations, but it is kind of the spirit of the thing. president obama's opening bid to the republicans goes like this. first democrats get a trillion dollars in tax revenue by letting the high-income bush tax expire. that hatch matches the spending cuts in the 2011 debt ceiling deal. a trillion for a trillion. then democrats and republicans get 6 billion worth
, wall street watching washington hoping we don't fall off the fiscal cliff. the fear we might could mean a fall in your savings. this, even though december is a month you usually see gains, often more than okay for your 401(k), the s&p 500 a big part of many retirement accounts, has gone up 16 in the past 20 years during this month. but now, investors are scared a plunge over the cliff could send the economy falling back into recession. those worries sent stocks falling. the s & p down two straight weeks after the election, even though it has made up four of the 5.3% loss, whenever there was a glimmer of a hope of a deal, headed up. and the fallout from the fiscal cliff could put even more pressure on unemployed americans, or those just trying to keep up with house payments. except more ups and downs for your investments ahead, but not so much because of big numbers out this week, among them, an important reading on manufacturing tomorrow, and then, what is often the biggest market mover of any month, the jobs report. november's release before the bell on friday. the cliff will likely ov
the family business, continue to grow, while at the same time make sure we solve this fiscal cliff. look, each and every day, as we walk the halls, you continue to ask questions. you want the answers solving the fiscal cliff. we put an answer on the table. the president now has to engage. i think the next 72 hours are critical. if he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give you an answer of where we're going. this is an opportunity for this country to lead. this is an opportunity for the president to lead. >> at these fiscal cliff negotiations and debate continues, i think it's important to remember that washington doesn't have a revenue problem. it has a spending problem. and under this administration, under president obama, we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate and yet he keeps demanding that we raise taxes in order to pay for more spending. this will only hurt our economy, ernston young has done an analysis of the president's proposal. and said that it would cost 700,000 jobs, at a time when our economy continues to struggle. there's a better way an
a good capital gains rate. if you're a ceo, you saw the recession going over the fiscal cliff caused you don't want to be hiring. you might have to be firing in january. if we miss the deadline the market will get pounded every thursday as the claims spike because of mandated layoffs particularly in a military industrial complex. people will lose that right in 2013. and thousands of other companies are slimming down because, hey, we failed to rise above. when that happens, believe me, you'll want every bit of this mountain gear. you'll want the ice ax. man, we got to use this. this will no longer just be a key chain because if we're cl m climbing out of the cliff you need to be the first there and with the best stocks. i envision all segments of the market getting pummeled but the ones that come back first are the ones that sold down first. so the best could be the worst. to me that means i want to climb out of the cliff using a stock like home depot. i'm going to climb out there to get this, yeah, home depot. that's one i'm going to get! because -- sorry about that. because it's up 54%
with the fiscal cliff, but also a new cabinet and some reports say he could appoint new cabinet members in the next couple of weeks, including secretary of state, and someone to be the new defense secretary as well. and that means could susan rice get the call? all indications are yes, at this point, unless for some reason, john kerry sneaks in because he'd have a smoother confirmation, juliet. >> juliet: yeah, the problem is what happened with benghazi seems to be a replay of what happened when she was involved with watching over africa when she was at the state department. and the-- exactly being back in 1998. there was information that al-qaeda had cells in some of the major cities in africa and that they asked, asked for more security and didn't get it. sound familiar? and yesterday on sean hannity's show, the family of two of the victims killed in the 1998 bombings had some comments. >> what we do know as early as 1996 our intelligence community had live active sells, in nairobi, kenya, despite those facts nothing was done to increase securities in our embassies in nairobi or tanza
the last minute on the fiscal cliff. i don't think it's a good way to do business. >> host: if we were to go over, what happens? >> guest: well, you know, probably congress would be back in session pretty quickly and hopefully we would do something like i'm talking about right now. that's what we should do it early. and continue to negotiate. it's not just a question of dollars and cents. effort some people say let the race club in republicans get some data call that a tax cut. people lose faith in the institution and the political leadership. trust is a very funny commodity. you have it until you don't. when you lose the trust of the american people it's not like you get back to doing the right thing the next day. we should convince the country and the markets that can make smart decisions and to compromise and again this would be a step in the right direction of showing we can work together. we can put the american people first. again, we can continue to fight over things without putting them in harms way. >> host: robert altman writes today in the "financial times" by the fiscal cli
and then went out of business. >>> and here's what's passing for progress to avoid that fiscal cliff at year's end. president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke about it on the phone with one another. that discussion came as treasury secretary tim geithner confirmed mr. obama is prepared to take the economy over the cliff unless republicans agree to raise tax rates on the wealthy. >>> meantime in georgia, some activists expressed frustration about the stalemate in holiday spirit. they delivered symbolic lumps of coal to the offices of both of their state's u.s. senators. but security guards met them outside of republican saxby chambliss' office. eventually, a few were let inside, but without the camera and media present. of course. that would have been the real story. >> folks are upset now. see what happens january 1 after you get the first paycheck and go, oh, this is what the fiscal cliff meant. yeah. whoo, 2013. >>> all right. the next story involves a new grassroots campaign that is starting. meant to draw attention to the nation's debt crisis. it is our "favorite story of the d
debt push has doubters in the discussion about the fiscal cliff. host: and in the washington post is a picture of three c.e.o.'s coming out of the white house. this is patricia wuertz, she is the chief executive of archer daniel's midland. emmett fraser of merck and another person walking out. we're going to move onto william in maryland on our republican line. hi, william. caller: gorn. i love watching c-span, i'm a first time caller. host: welcome. caller: thank you. i'm not the greatest at this, but i can tell you as an african-american republican, who is a home owner association's president for his community of 339 homes, and someone who works in security, and someone who volunteers at least 40 hours a week on his community, there is a issue with us as americans and picking up slack. we put too much on the federal government to do. we as people need to stand more for each other and help each other. and i guarantee you if we took the money out of the politics, and we as the people stood together with one another and helped each other as in the churches and the communities, just
the presidential election was still going on. while the fiscal cliff battle plays out, campaign politics marches on. >> i want to help create a better united states. >> we're less than a month removed from the 2012 election, but former south dakota governor mike rounds is already looking ahead to 2014, announcing a bid for the sfath. >> i'll be out visiting in a lot of communities around south dakota. >> and he was the second republican to do that this past week. joining congresswoman shelly moore of west virginia. while 2014 is a long way away, 2013 is just over the horizon. that's when new jersey's chris christie is up for re-election and the tough-talking republican governor's making clear he wants another term in office to help his state recover from superstorm sandy. >> i don't want to leave now. we have a job to do. that job won't be finished by next year. >> it may be the holiday season, but it seems there's no holiday from campaign politics. randi. >> paul, thank you. and a programming note, treasury secretary tim geithner talks with cnn's candy ycrowley. >>> debris comes crashing down on c
important 'cause it's about economic development. it's not just solving the fiscal cliff issue. that's just a near term issue. but that solution needs to create a business environment that allows businesses to grow because we're only expanding 2% gdp. we need at least 3 1/2, 4% to bring down unemployment. so we are fighting for the soul of america. >> steve: 'cause you need to help the economy and sell cars, too. >> that's an important part, to because next to our homes, the purchases -- it's always a lead indicator. >> gretchen: you would know, and this is why you were invited, because you run ford and you've been very successful at it. by the way, you took no bailout money because you borrowed money before that other fiscal cliff that we went over when the car industry was bailed out. did the president listen to you? >> i think he absolutely did. of course, i would do it again about testifying against my competitors because clearly the united states economy was in a recession and could have gone into a depression. i'm glad we did testify on behalf of our competitors at the time because we
leadership says he thinks president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff by proposing higher taxes, no spending cuts and no plans to save entitlements. with president obama going to pennsylvania today, the house republican whip, kevin mccarthy's office put out a video profiling a small business nearby in pennsylvania that would get hurt by a tax hike. >> i'm jerry gorsky from an engineering company. however good or bad we do is my income. this notion of $250,000 being top 2% or the wealthy people in america ignores the way most small businesses work in america. >> reporter: i mentioned president obama is going out on the trail, if you will in pennsylvania to sell his arguments. one would expect we would hear some sort of response from speaker john boehner after that. jon. jon: what are the democrats saying? i mean about these g.o.p. complaints? what is your response? >> reporter: they are saying republicans if you don't like the president's plan, where is your own plan? they are asking for specifics on revenue in terms of tax revenue. they are also asking for specifics on what repu
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